762X54 russian ammo

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  1. Jan 19, 2018 #1

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    Heard a guy at the gun store complaining that 7.62X54 and 39 ammo is now in short supply due to laws forbidding import of foreign ammo? Anyone have more info on this?
     
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    There is some 7.62x54R locally, but a recent uptick in the popularity (and pricing) of Mosin Nagants has helped reduce stock. But I am not aware of any new laws since Obama left office. Ammo Seek shows a lot of it available. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x54r
     
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    Nope , haven't heard anything about any new laws,
    But I do know that the All the Mosins and other similar rifles that shoot it, have become much more popular,
    and ammo prices , and availability has suffered.

    Glad I bought several thousand rounds over the years.
    It is milsurp and is corrosive though.

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    I bought a set of Mosins' years back for next to nothing. An M38 and a M44. Then I picked up two T53's. That's when started buying up those 440 rounds and 880 round cases. I am pretty much set for life. Most of it is in those sealed metal tins. The T53's and a ton of ammo are hidden at my BOL.
     
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    Yeah, I don't even know ,off hand , how many 880 cans I got,

    got the Russian can openers too.

    Hey that stuff shoots great and hard hitting... just a pain to clean up after.



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    I don't know anything about the T-53 but I've always admired the Russian T-34 but I could never afford one let alone two.:coffee:
     
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    The T53 is a shorter length Chinese Mosin Nagant made for their military. It is a direct copy of the Polish made M44. I am sure China copied Russian tanks too, but for some reason they never never been imported. ;)

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    That rifle makes a nice flame feather when fired at night. Fun Rifle!
     
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    More than 2 or 3 rounds ....puts a bruise on the old shoulder too.



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    This is why I consider the Pachmayr Decelerator to be mandatory add on. Gets you up to 7-8 rounds before that bruise forms.

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    We bought a mosin a few years back. Two cans of ammo cost twice as much as the mosin! Great rifle. It took me awhile to figure out how to open up the cans.
     
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    Okay, I was surprised by the guys comments about the cost of the ammo and the reason. I just bought a 440 can for $99 a year ago and I told him where he commented they can't even get 7.62x54R any more. I only have the one M44 that shoots it so that one can should last a very long time given all the other rifles I have to shoot. LOL
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    and Yes, they do punch a nice hole.

     
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    Your mean....:D

    Thats a good looking M44, and I want one real bad...
    Can't find a decent one anymore..



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    Well Cabelas has them but the only person I know who bought one there had the bolt jam up so bad we couldn't get it to open back up. :-(
     
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    I have come across a few in my area....but none I would take home.

    Horrific bores , wiped out receivers...cracked, busted wood.



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    Yeah, the good ones have long been sold and what's still for sale is bottom of the barrel stuff. You can still find some good deals locally if you want to spend the time searching, but all of a sudden people see a clean M44 as a collector item worth big $$$.

    If only I had a time machine. :)

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    Yeah, I bought mine for $69 back when and then restored it as a present for my dad. Even though he didn't like shooting it he was impressed with the refurb I did and appreciated the gift. If he was alive today he'd love the investment factor and the increase in value of the gun. ;-)
     
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    A few years back a LGS had them by the case. I considered buying a case but I didn't consider them an investment then.
     
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    7.62x54r ammo has definitely gone up in prices over the past two or three years. The days of buying milsurp rounds at 20 cents each are long gone. Figure around 50 cents per round for steel case (which is what the Mosin Nagant was designed to shoot). So, yeah, both the ammo and the Mosin Nagant rifles have gone up in price. Between the ban on some Russian firearm imports and the action in the Ukraine (lots of Mosins being used there), I don't look for any relief anytime soon. If you bought your Mosin Nagant rifles and stocked up on ammo when both were inexpensive, good for you! I did, but now wish I'd stocked up even heavier on the ammo. If you missed that boat, there are now better alternatives out there.

    7.62x39, on the other hand, is still darn cheap (20 cents per round for steel case bought in bulk) and widely available. I'd take exception to the guy at the gun store on that point. The common rifles that shoot those rounds, the AK-47 and the SKS, have both gone up in price along with the Mosins. But the ammo for them is still inexpensive and easy to get. Actually a great caliber to be stacking high and deep while it's cheap.
     
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    Roza Shanina Russian sniper 54 confirmed kills

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    Unknown Russian sniper Mosin Nagant

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    Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko. I watched a movie about her in Russian last year (had to read the subtitles). She was a Ukrainian Soviet sniper during World War II who was credited with 309 kills. Most successful female sniper who ever lived.

    Colorized photo:

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    Pair those Russian ladies up with a Mosin and you had a deadly combo.
     
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    Personally I would rather have Lyudmila's SVT 40 Sniper (Tokarev self-loading rifle, model of 1940) as long as I got a good one. She used both rifles but is often seen photographed with the SVT 40. The Russians were going to completely replace the Mosin but the war interrupted production so they had to default back to the older bolt action Mosin Nagants for some of the rank and file. But many career / elite soldiers were still given SVT 40's, which is a sort of bigger more accurate SKS chambered in the 7.62x54R. The German G43 and the Russian SKS / AK-47 had numerous design features that came from the SVT 40.


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    If you are very interested in this subject I suggest the movie "Enemy at the Gates". Also in researching Mosin sniper rifles I found that other than a bent bolt the rifles were no different than the general rifle that was passed out to the troops. They would pick the ones with the best barrels and give to sniper troops. If you want to add a scope onto a Mosin you can remove the rear sight and underneath is a dovetail that you can attach a scope onto. A pistol scope works well and you can still leave the straight handled bolt.
     
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    That is a new gun to me. I spent some time looking into it and found this article. there is an interesting six minute video. Thanks Sentry,

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/9/17/video-soviet-svt-40-rifle/
     
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